Unarmed 54-Year-Old Bloodied In Raid

Discussion in 'Civil Rights & Privacy' started by Lisa Simeone, Jan 1, 2012.

  1. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Just another day in police state Amerika!

    Oh, dear, did I say "police state"? Oh, so sorry! A thousand apologies.

    What I meant was Just Another Day In Our Great Land Of Freedom And Democracy Where All Is Good And The Rule Of Law Prevails And Our Great Leader Is Keeping Us Safe!

    Unarmed 54-Year-Old Bloodied In Raid
    And swollen, beaten-up face. Take a look at the photo.

  2. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    Wow, poor guy. There was a time when I was very respectful of ALL law enforcement but not any more. Stories like this make me want to jump out my window if the cops came knocking.
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  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach


    There's no other word for them.
  4. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    there needs to be a lawsuit with enough $ to make them at least hesitate to do this. Forget about any internal investigations, firings, or charges. They are a a law unto themselves at this point.
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  5. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

  6. rockon

    rockon Original Member

    Unfortunately, there are lawsuits and payouts constantly across the country - and it does nothing to slow this stuff down.

    Lawsuits need to involve the police unions, not the taxpayers. If the unions have to pay out every time one of their 'finest' pulls a stunt like this, they might be less willing to support repeat offenders and we might see a bit more internal self-policing instead of the 'blue line'.

    There should also be a serious investigation into the warrant - whoever supplied the information should be disciplined and/or prosecuted.
  7. RB

    RB Founding Member

    The City and each individual LEO should be held legally accountable. Tossing the LEO's in jail along with substantial financial penalties assessed to the city and individual employees should get the attention of these people. I believe the protections LEO's currently enjoy should be eliminated. If they abide by the law and conduct themselves properly they would have nothing to fear.
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  8. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    In the case of the Union Carpenter, it appears that the police-thugs really imagine they should be allowed to operate above the law. They think they're entitled to run wild.

    What's more, none of this violence would have occurred if it weren't for the "WAR" on drugs. The "War on drugs" has become a war against the U.S. Constitution. I am sick and tired of "WAR." When crazies in power use the "War" word, anything goes.

    I don't want to have anything to do with drugs, and that includes continuing to fund the "War on Drugs." At best the "War on Drugs" has been a counter-productive waste of tax dollars.
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  9. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    thanks for posting that. That town sounds like a police cesspool, and the state cop is pure rogue. I hope the carpenter nails them all.
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  10. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Yep. There he is, getting ready to light the candles on his son's birthday cake. He's in a home he helped build with his own hands. His son's mother is with him. He has a job, a home, and a huge measure of domestic joy. Then the cops knock on his door and ask for his help.

    The whole police drama began because one of the officers claimed to have caught a whiff of marijuana smoke. Did he? Who cares? I don't. I have no use for drugs and less use for the "War on Drugs." I don't see how a whiff of Marijuana justifies this much violence and wasteful spending of tax dollars.

    How exactly has this whole drama improved the community? I'm not seeing any benefit whatsoever.
  11. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    I think the various government agencies are going to be surprised to learn that the respect, from law & order Conservatives like myself, has for LEOs is not unconditional. Seriously, look at this.
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  12. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Legislation by initiative -- especially after a graphic incident or two to help make your case -- would be the ideal way to pursue this. It's allowed in 24 states; unfortunately for this guy New Jersey is not one of them.

    It needs to be structured so that the victim still collects, e.g. the agency, governmental unit & insurance still pay, and the renegade pig(s) then pay into a recovery fund.

    The thumpers will all threaten to quit -- good riddance!
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  13. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I agree. It seems like some LEO searches are punative in nature. They "toss" the house, contaminating food, vandalizing things, breaking things, making a mess and generally acting like hoodlums. Surely they can "search" without leaving a scene that looks like bears have been rumaging through the cupboards.
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  14. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    And as long as it's legal to drop candidates who score too high on the intelligence test, they'll be replaced.
  15. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Power and control. Power and control. "We can do this to you, and there's nothing you can do about it."

    Sound familiar?
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  16. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    The day will come when someone has had enough and sends the swine home in body bags.

    Almost happened in Utica on New Year's Eve. Homeowner should have had a gun, not a hammer.
  17. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Looks like he got whacked on the side of the noggin', probably nothing inside to damage:


    Brings to mind an album by David Peel & the Lower East Side: "If you're big dump and stupid, the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department wants you. Remedial courses are available for the culturally deprived."
  18. Frank

    Frank Original Member

  19. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Maybe my memory was fuzzy.​

  20. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Figured it out, it was Canned Heat's Sic 'Em Pigs.

    Here's the out-take:

    Or the whole song:


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