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Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Doober, Sep 11, 2011.

  1. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    [unnecessary personal comment removed] this is copied from a thread over at the other place [unnecessary personal comment removed] :


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  2. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    This is an interesting question, but let's remember 2 things:
    1. Let's not use this as an opportunity to pile on Bart. Remember, he is one man, not the organization.
    2. Also, there are things, right or wrong, that he can't discuss. Let's not pile on someone who has the same job survival instincts we all do, no matter how we might vociferously disagree with his job choice.
    That said, I believe that if we are respectful in this discussion, as we all have been in other threads, that we can receive some very good answers to these questions. Heck, Bart might even learn a few things he can take back "into the classroom".

    Please don't misconstrue this post as a "coach hat on". It isn't. I'd feel the same way without that hat.
  3. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    I asked this question because my son and DIL recently returned from a trip to Chicago during which my son's checked baggage (don't ask me why he has to check a bag for a 2-night stay :rolleyes:) as well as his carry on were searched on each leg of their trip.

    Five days after their return, he came down with his worst MRSA outbreak since his initial one for which he was hospitalized for 5 days. He was a very sick pup for about 3 days this time around.

    Coincidence, of course. However, could a transfer of bacteria have occurred that left one who is vulnerable to be hit again? Certainly it is within the realm of possibility if screeners are not changing their gloves.

    Did he ask the screeners who searched his carry on to change gloves? No, he did not and, for the life of me, I can't understand why he won't do that. But maybe this time he has learned his lesson.
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  4. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Barbell is talking sense here.
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  5. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Again proving that TSA is the greatest threat to American safety.

    Is he one of the AFS crowd?
  6. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Quick! Somebody call Mrs. Barbell!
  7. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I don't understand why anyone would submit to such an unsanitary practice. That's really dangerous.

    I once had a staph infection. It was unbelievably painful and very, very dangerous. Thank God for modern anti-biotics. It was the only life-threatening illness I've ever had. It really put the fear of God in me. I am very, very careful about casual contact with others and commonly touched objects such as door handles, trash can openings, shopping cart handles and the like.

    No way is some goon pawing at me or a member of my family in such an irresponsible fashion. I think a County Health Inspector should step in and shut that "Unlicensed Massage Parlor" down.
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  8. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    No, actually he is beginning to get it but he won't put into action what his intellect seems to understand.
  9. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    The best I can do is guess at what probably happened.

    First of all, there's a difference between a full pat-down and a partial pat-down. I very seriously doubt that full pat-downs were conducted at the AIT station because I know for a fact that they are not. They are referred to another officer whenever something more than a quick pat-down is required, and that pat-down is done someplace else away from the AIT station.

    I also know that, for the most part, there's a tendency for more female passengers to opt-out of AIT screening than males. So if there were more full pat-downs conducted, it was at the passenger's request.

    Next point, men dress pretty simple. Not a whole lot to complicate the screening process. When a man removes everything from his pockets, takes off his belt and shoes, he's pretty much eliminated the sort of items that show up as anomalies on the AIT screen. Women, on the other hand, tend to have more going on with bracelets, ankle bracelets, certain types of underwear, necklaces, hair accessories, and other similar items. So I'm not surprised if women tend to require pat downs more than men in order to clear certain AIT anomalies.

    If the attempt is to imply, suggest or otherwise plant the idea that TSOs single out female passengers, I can shoot that idea full of holes. The officer inside the booth has no idea who the passenger is and the officers who direct passengers into the AIT have no quota or other similar instruction. Their instructions are pretty simple: keep the passenger flow moving smoothly.

    Our AFSD is absolutely strict on the passenger privacy policy and has suspended the pay of an officer who accidentally brought a phone into the booth. The officer self-disclosed that he forgot he had a phone in his pocket and asked to be relieved from the AIT booth so he could put it away. Still, the AFSD stuck to this zero-tolerance policy, and it had a tremendous impact on the rest of the workforce.
  10. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

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  11. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    The changing of the gloves is very, very important.

    I'm so tired of this repulsive, unethical, depraved agency. From top to bottom, they are without a shred of decency. It boggles my mind that we still tolerate them.

    The politicians who let this continue are SO FIRED!
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  12. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Are you claiming that the person viewing the WBI output cannot tell if the person has breast or not, or testicles or not?

    That is what I think you stated in the above highlighted text.
  13. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I hear that's only a real problem when the person being scanned is Rolando Negrin.
  14. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    That FT post detailed an event from April of 2011. It is therefore a bit dated and I for one cannot take it as a data point for what is happening now, or at ATR machines. I would have been a LOT more interested in this had it been a recent event or one involving ATR.

    I think it is imperative, for us to get an accurate picture of what is going on NOW, as TSA says it is changing, to actually try to see now what *is* changing. Nothing may be changing but we will not see any changes if we look at old stories as if they happened yesterday.
  15. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    You mean like the difference between how the TSA treated Tom Sawyer the first time vs. the second?
  16. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Granted. However, I was asking specifically about the training of screeners at SAT w/r/t the changing of gloves.
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  17. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Good analogy! :)

    These hints just don't sink in, so I'm going to try it in large bold letter this times:

    FlyerTalk posts are never our subject here.

    TUG is doing just fine on its own. We don't need to drag over posts from FT to start discussions here, and especially not posts that are five months old. It is OK to mine FT for subject matter as long as you go to the original sources for material.

    If you want to discuss information that was originally posted at FT, discuss it at FT. If you can't discuss it at FT because you've been suspended by their bumbling moderators, just count your blessings and move on.
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  18. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    yeah, like between passengers or even between potty breaks.
  19. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    [unnecessary personal comment removed] Then again we need more videos of TSA endangering travelers as the more its piled on maybe the idiots in DC will get the hint that if they dont do something there jobs are as good as dead if they dont pull there collective heads out of there asses and not castrate but just kill the who DHS/TSA boondoggle.

    TSA personal & checkpoints disgust me because of TSAs incompetent and dangerous use of PPE (Personal Protection Equipment - which include gloves, masks, boots, gowns, etc). Those that read the other site know in the past i picked up a infection from the LAX T4 checkpoint that i lost all of the skin on both of my hands and had finger prints on 3 fingers disfigured. The swabs from my hands weren't definitive as by the time they were done i had already lost most of the skin on my hand, but the doctor suspects it was a combo of MRSA , and E-Coli. Since then from time to time till 2 years ago I would run swab tests at TSA CP and the results were disgusting that made a whore house and truck stop bathroom look like a surgical suite as you name it it came up on the swabs including blood, urine, feces, MRSA, VRE, acienobactor, human genetic material, but the biggest ones that got me was herpes, and hepatitis. Needless to say you wont catch me bearfoot in these cesspools, and i will decon my property with PDI wipes (aka baby killer wipes in EMS as they have a sticker on them with a baby with a red slash) when done with TSA and i will be wearing gloves as those wipes kill everything and the chemicals used to do so will cause cancer and state as such on the label.

    My standard MO is that anyone whose going to touch me or my property will change there gloves before anything, if they dont follow that request; to put it nicely my alter ego comes out and I start calling for a supervisor and higher. Normally the request goes without a problem, but there's always one that seems to have to flex what power they dont have. I had one smurf who got her panties in a knot at the Terminal A14 TDC stand at DFW who didnt take the hint and got rude with me because she refused to change her gloves so i wouldnt let her hold my ID. I played nice till she issued that famous DYWTFT threat to which i then yelled (in her face) for a supervisor and a LEO for which at that point you could have heard a mouse sneeze it was that quiet. Any of you who frequent know that the CP supervisor is a pudge whose a coronary waiting to happen and waiting on retirement and was going to take him a minute or three to traverse the 75 feet to the front of a checkpoint.

    My yelling had gotten the attention of a DFW DPS officer who came to see what was going on and before the smurf could get a word in i told him i wanted to file a complaint against the smurf for violations of Texas Penal Code title 5 chapter 22 section(s) 22.01 &22.07. The officer didnt even have to look up the code he knew what they were and his first question was he wanted to see the smurfs ID. By the time the DPS officer had written the smurfs ID down the supervisor had made it to the TDC podium and was out of breath so he couldnt make any comments and that when I told him the situation and what was going on and I have no problem with presenting ID but i have a problem when my health is willingly endangered by a government clerk, who refuses to follow your own rules for changing gloves when requested. When i said that the smurf piped up she was a federal officer and the LEO said no your not and shut your mouth unless you want to go to jail for impersonation. That is when i pulled out a photo from my folio and as i showed it said I dont want to end up with the infection this person did due to your filthy action to the smurfs for which the supervisor dropped his coffee splashed and hit about 15 people in line that really got pissed and started yelling at the supervisor and the TDC puked all over the TDC stand. At that point another two striper showed up didnt even bother looking at my ID put there stupid little squiggle on my BP and i was on my way through with the LEO as a escort. yes the shoes came off but my rollaboard and back pack didnt even have the laptop or electronics pulled from them just put throught the x-ray and not bag check as they just wanted me through. Once through security I finished my report with the LEO, got his card and the incident number to follow up later. in the 5 mins that the LEO was getting the story I got more then a few pats on the back and fist pumps from other travelers who witnessed the whole thing.

    To this day I dont know what the officer said to those two, but that supervisor looks away when he sees me, and dont seem to have any problems (other then alot of whispering in mic radio chatter) or get selected for anything :D at that checkpoint when pudgy is on duty. The smurf that got her panties in a knot and lost her lunch I have yet to see again.

    The photo i showed the smurf was of a person who had a stage 4 sacral decubitus ulcer with infection runners into both legs with cantaloupe size pus pockets; and no i wont post a link to that image if you want a idea of how bad they can look use google.
  20. AngryMiller

    AngryMiller Original Member


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