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Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Doober, Sep 11, 2011.

  1. rockon

    rockon Original Member

    I'm glad you brought this up over here. I'd like an honest appraisal/response from TSA's side, too.

    Question/comment: Your son's checked bag got searched too? Don't suppose there's a lot of glove-changing going on down in the baggage areas, and there's absolutely nothing we can do about that.
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  2. RB

    RB Founding Member

    But isn't it a shame that TSA employees are so [ "insert favorite term"] that it takes this level of pushback to even get their attention?
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  3. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    Nice try. You know exactly what I said. But if you need further clarification, I'll break it down for you if you really, really need it.
  4. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    I thought I answered the question. Interesting how you and others love to jump to conclusions.

    You can always ask an officer to put on a new pair of gloves, and the officer will do so.
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  5. AngryMiller

    AngryMiller Original Member

    Sorry to disagree with you Bart, but on numerous occassions, at different airports I have made that request (pleasantly) and gotten grief from the TSO for having done so. What is policy often is not the way things are done.
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  6. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I asked a question about what you said and clearly stated what it was I thought you said. There was no put down or anything else in my statement. Just a straight up question.

    You stated:
    and I took your meaning of the person in the booth to be the "viewer of naked images".

    If the viewer is the person in the booth then I am doubtful they cannot tell gender. What other person is in a booth?
  7. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    I still don't trust you or others, but here it goes: if the thinking is that an officer can pick out someone in the line and direct them into the AIT, then that's pretty faulty thinking. The officer inside the booth never knows the identity of the person who was scanned and will never know which person was scanned. All the officer knows is male/female; with or without anomalies; that's it.
  8. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    I don't doubt that's happened. I don't know why TSOs are bothered by the request. It costs nothing to put on another pair of gloves. You, the passenger, are the one who is really paying for it. Usually, there's a work rhythm, and stopping to put on a pair of gloves disrupts that rhythm. Even so, this shouldn't bother the average TSO.

    Whenever I work the floor, I have one set of gloves on my hands and another in my back pocket. But if a passenger insists that I walk over to where the gloves are stored so they can see me pull the replacement pair from the box, I'll do so without any complaint.
  9. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Should be automatically done without need for request. Many passengers will be too intimidated to request glove change or may not even speak English. I do not understand why the default is that the TSOs don't change gloves absent a passenger request. There is no excuse for any eye-rolling, sighing or groaning when requested to do so. Once that sort of rubbish starts, passenger cooperation and trust declines, which is a detriment to security.
  10. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    How do you deal with point of sale transactions?

    Do you disinfect your hands and your credit card you swipe it in a card reader or gas pump?

    Do you demand that store clerks don sterile gloves before they handle your ID or credit card?

    Or is this extreme of behavior reserved for TSA checkpoints? I find it hard to believe that those situations are any cleaner or dirtier than a TSA checkpoint.
  11. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I've started editing out gratuitous comments about you know who. If you don't like the way your posts (and even the thread titles) end up looking, plan ahead and discuss only the issues. Don't attempt to bait or discuss other members.
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  12. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Sounds good to me, I don't like "call out" blogging.
  13. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    That is disgusting bart and in direct violation of CDC and OSHA directives on proper usage of PPE. That pair in your pocket are the same contaminated to the same as as wiping your butt with them, and goes to prove TSA doesn't have anyone's safety in mind.

    Then if something as simple as changing gloves throws off there flow then that person is unfit for duty, then again we are talking about TSA there lacking in many areas. I change gloves so many times in a shift its not even funny, and it doesn't mess up my flow, then again I have my patients health and safety in mind unlike TSA. Then lets not even go in to mass causality incidents where one would go through 50+ pairs of gloves and is expected to change gloves anytime they get contaminated or you move to work on a different patient, and it doesn't take that long to change out gloves with a fresh pair from the box. It can be done in less then 15 seconds even with wet hands, less with dry. Even using sterile technique i can doff and don sterile gloves in less then 30 seconds, and that is without trying so not like it takes that long for the average clerk to change them.
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  14. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I took what you said to imply that the person viewing the images could not tell if the person being screened was male or female.

    That is why I asked the question and I limited my question to that point.

    Trust is a two way street.
  15. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    With the way my responses get twisted around? (See above)
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  16. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    If you say so. You know we're talking about a checkpoint floor NOT the operating room, triage room, lab or any other medical facility where sterile gloves are an important factor. To be honest with you, I find your concern over sterility to be over the top. The overwhelming majority of the screening situations involve looking inside people's property than it does patting people down.

    Please feel free to submit your concerns to CDC and OSHA.
  17. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Not by me. (I'm finished painting the house so I'm back, with sound effects !)

  18. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I've never seen a convenience store clerk running their hands through a customer's hair or inside their waistband, either.
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  19. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    Don't hate me because I'm beautiful. :p
  20. RB

    RB Founding Member

    In what way have I twisted anything you have said in this thread?

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