Voting record on Amash-Conyers Amendment

Discussion in 'Civil Rights & Privacy' started by Caradoc, Jul 25, 2013.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    My next additions to the state-by-state tables will be their phone numbers and the prices of their souls. Anyone know if they take AMEX?
     
  2. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    In spite of the recent vote, I think the NSA is now on the defensive. I equate the process to what is happening with the TSA: early on, a large majority of congress approved of the TSA, but as time and revelations of its abuses has progressed, the corner was turned and now many have begun to say enough is enough. This is clearly evidenced in Congressional orders to the TSA to dump backscatter and to expand expedited screening.

    The NSA revelations didn't trickle out as they did with the TSA, but were dumped on us in "one fell swoop."

    I do believe it will take time, but slowly the NSA will be reined in.
     
  3. Doober

    Doober Original Member

  4. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Being on the defensive is not good enough. We must make sure that changes are made, changes the prohibit government from snooping into our daily lives. NSA, in my opinion, has gone so far over the line that we cannot allow these things to continue. Our electeds are the ones who have enabled these intrusions and I beleive their doing so makes them unfit to sit in Congress.

    We have a Constitution and right now government seems to care little about our founding principles.
     
  5. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    I agree with RB. "On the defensive" is good but it only lasts as long as the public eye is focused on NSA. As soon as the attention is elsewhere (which the gov't is trying like (expletive deleted) to achieve with this bogus travel-terror alert nonsense) NSA will be back to its old tricks.

    We need permanent change to ensure that NSA behaves even when the parents aren't watching.
     
  6. RB

    RB Founding Member

    NSA hasn't changed anything about what it is doing. Congress won't take action and the President would not sign a bill if one was passed.

    Don't expect any changes to come from the people currently in office. We will need a complete overhaul of electeds with new ones who have dedication to honor the Constitution first instead of bowing to business and other interest.

    I think the only reason these Congresscritters bow is so they can get their asses up high enough to make entry easy.
     
  7. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    Yup. That's the primary rationale behind my "Third-party wherever available, anti-incumbent as fallback unless there's a DAMN GOOD reason not to" voting policy.

    I'm really itching to employ it again too.
     
  8. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    I don't think there is *any* fix to this as things currently stand, even with new players. Too much inertial force at play. The good news in this mess is that the whole ball of wax called the US federal government (USG) is melting down as we speak, financially, and in a big way. You can see the beginnings in the decreases and pullbacks in numbers of federal employees/agents across the board. The security apparatus will be the last to go, but it will go. Just like the STASI. The citizens of this country are now seeing the USG for what it is, just as the rest of the world has long seen it. Evil, malicious, dangerous, and insatiable in its thirst for power.
     
  9. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I'm within 5 to 10 years of retirement. I truly fear that the economy will crash and wipe out my savings and other assets.
     
  10. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    The problem "with new players" is that voters think their job is done & become complacent. You need to keep throwing the bums out until the bums finally realize that staying in Washington requires serving the people who elected them.
     
  11. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    You are wise to worry about that. If you own hard assets, such as
    • real estate not located in Detroit,
    • real money (Au, Ar)
    • shares in a company that produces real things and runs a profit (as long as you have the shares directly registered in your own name, NOT held for you in street name at your broker--that can be and probably is already re-hypothecated).
    We are past the stage where we can stop printing money to cover our bills. If we stop, the whole charade collapses. So, they can't stop, and they won't.
    At risk:
    • Treasuries
    • IRAs
    • 401K
    • Bank deposits even of insured amounts (you HAVE been watching all the bail-in announcements from the FDIC haven't you)
    • Instruments representing debt

    People on a pension or about to go on a pension are screwed. Pensions own a lot of debt, precisely what cannot be paid back.
     
  12. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I have a place to go and live off the land, trees to build a cabin, and springs for water.
     
  13. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    It would be nice if things didn't come to that, but....we are in a really strange place economically/financially/monetarily both in this country and the world at-large. There is no historical analogue. Who in the h*ll knows what is really going to transpire... Before it's over, lead may be a precious metal.

    Seriously, just take a look at Detroit: that is the template for pensioners:

    What does that tell you about who is calling the shots in this country?
     
  14. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    Put your retirement funds into tangible assets. Before the economy collapses, the government will tap IRA, 401k and other private retirement funds to keep the casino afloat.

    Bankers are the new aristocracy. When the wheels come off, they'll be lucky if all they and their families face is a guillotine.
     
  15. RB

    RB Founding Member


    Check my profile. Looks like I'm screwed either way.
     
  16. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    I doubt you're actively screwing your customers, unlike some big banks I could name. <cough>BankofAmerica<cough>

    If you can get yourself into a position to bank with hard currency...
     

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