Wait, IS TSA slowly coming to reason?

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by FaustsAccountant, Nov 17, 2011.

  1. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    I know it's CNN but I needed some cheering up, is this start of a change of attitude for the better?
    Got to start somewhere, right?

    For the longest time I'm so use to hearing TSA point to ghosts in every corner 'Tarrawrist' could pretend to be a pilot, pretend to be elderly, disable, a child, pregnant woman, etc. Pretend to be a military person-but does this meant they are NOT saying the latter? I admit I don't know what "expedited" means in this case or a group that "likelihood to pose no risk" will play out, but false hope is still hope.

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/15/travel/military-airport-screening/index.html?hpt=hp_bn13

    Expedited airport screening for military in the works

    "As part of our risk-based security initiative, we're trying to identify those groups of people that in all likelihood pose no risk. We've been working with the military Department of Defense to try to assess how we can read the military ID cards," Pistole said.
     
  2. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I would like to say this is a step in the right direction, but I can't. I still think it's all part of the Divide-and-Conquer strategy. Create classes of privileged groups who don't have to endure as much sh*t, thereby further whittling down the group of those who do. The latter are the "troublemakers" -- those who object -- us.
     
  3. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    I agree. divide and conquer. Give Major Hassan a pass and then grope grandma with a vengeance.
     
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  4. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    "assess how we can read the military ID cards," Pistole said."

    For the TSA, this will be very difficult. Teaching TSA clerks how to read is harder than teaching Koko the chimp to make a sound resembling "cup".
     
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  5. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    The TSA doesn't care that they're doing things that piss people off.

    When they "apologize," it's never, "We're sorry we groped you." It's always, "We're sorry you got mad when we groped you."
     
  6. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    You're right that's not an apology.

    Side note on this, I hate it when script readers do this to me to: We're sorry you feel you've been mis-billed.
    That's not an apology.
     
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  7. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    LOL this used to be a theme in my house - when you apologize, you need to be apologizing for YOURSELF! Saying "I'm sorry you feel that way" is not an apology...you can't apologize for someone else. An apology must begin with "I'm sorry *I*...", not "I'm sorry *YOU*...".

    But I realize that's way too complicated for the TSA to comprehend.
     
  8. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    Divide and conquer.

    We've been working with the military Department of Defense to try to assess how we can read the military ID cards," Pistole said.

    Seriously? Seriously?

    And we're trusting these people to take care of our security?
     
  9. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I used to have one when I was an Air Force brat. I'm sure the format has chance slightly over the last 40 years, but basically it was first name, last name, date of birth, expiration date, info describing where it was issued and on the back was the authorization for medical coverage.

    If they have to "assess how we can read them", it explains a lot about their inability ever to catch a real terrorist.
     
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  10. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    When I read this stuff I often don't know whether to laugh or to cry.
     
  11. RadioGirl

    RadioGirl Original Member

    Divide and conquer, part 3. Read on in the article: this is part of PreCheck, the Trusted Traveler program where some FF elites, GE/Nexus members and now military personnel can keep their shoes, belts and jackets on, and leave their liquids in their carry-on. Maybe. Depending on the phase of the moon, and who else might be on the same plane. YMMV. Void where prohibited by law.

    They excused the pilots and FAs, and they no longer had reason to support passengers in opposing the TSA's policies. They're letting kiddies keep their shoes on in the hopes that parents will stop griping. PreCheck is an attempt to pacify the frequent/business/military travelers.
     
  12. FriendlySkies

    FriendlySkies Member

    So the dolts will be taught to read military ID, but they can't read a damn NEXUS card? :rolleyes: :mad:
     
  13. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    If they can't read one, they won't be able to read the other.

    It's probably a hopeless situation.
     
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  14. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    Different era and different groups of people named to fit the times but more importantly, the concept is still the same.

    When the Nazis came for the communists,
    I remained silent;
    I was not a communist.

    When they locked up the social democrats,
    I remained silent;
    I was not a social democrat.

    When they came for the trade unionists,
    I did not speak out;
    I was not a trade unionist.

    When they came for the Jews,
    I remained silent;
    I wasn't a Jew.

    When they came for me,
    there was no one left to speak out.


    -Martin Niemöller January 6, 1946
     
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  15. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    FaustsAccountant, yes, that's a favorite around here. We post and re-post it all the time. One can never do it too much.
     
  16. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Also, Frederick Douglass, August 4, 1857:
     
  17. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    And then they're surprised and shocked when someone reaches their breaking point and takes a TSO behind the woodshed.
     
  18. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    If only more people were willing to take a smurf behind the woodshed, this would all end.
     
  19. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    I do wonder what it would take for an "Occupy Airports" movement to get underway and for the protestors to throw TSA out.
     
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  20. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Believe me, I've been trying. There just aren't enough people yet. Not enough interest. It's going to take, as we've been saying, a lot more abuse, affecting a lot more people, before there's even any hope of change.
     

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