Wait, IS TSA slowly coming to reason?

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by FaustsAccountant, Nov 17, 2011.

  1. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Forget the woodshed, if given the opportunity(IE assaulted and pissed off) I would do it in-front of everyone so as to make a public example, and would take on any additional smurfs who want to fight "on the front lines on the war on terror". I just hope there insurance (Medical, liability, and disability) is paid up as they would need it. Maybe if a few more pissed off husband/fathers would take action this crap would stop as nothing makes a point like a few smurfs in the ICU on life support for having the crap beaten out of them.
     
  2. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    Don't forget the pissed-off wives/mothers. Nothing says lovin' like beating your child's would-be molester within an inch of its life with your hunny delivering every other blow.
     
  3. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    That too, Then again when it comes to beatings women tend to cause more visible damage(bruises, scratches, lacerations), where males tend to cause more injuries that arent visible (Broken bones, internal bleeding, etc) but the severity of the injuries is a toss up between makles/females.
     
  4. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    We've had over a year of scope and grope, over a year of assault and abuse, and the masses still haven't risen up. Only a handful of people have fought back, even in the mildest fashion. I wouldn't hold out much hope for an avenging angel to suddenly show up.
     
  5. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    Probably not. Methinks it's not going to be a single hero who leads the masses to freedom, but a collective of Phil Moceks, Yukari Miyamaes, Andrea Abbotts, and others of their caliber who will drive an upwelling of public outrage and overwhelm TSA with lawsuits, request-for-discovery paperwork, political suffocation and campaign-suicide public disdain. We're getting there, slowly but surely. The recent strip-searches are evidence of that - one victim said she was hellbent on suing and is looking more and more like the hornets' nest that the smurf-clerk prodded one too many times. There's also Affection's lawsuit, the fact that at least two election hopefuls (Perry and Paul) have made mention of shitcanning TSA (though Paul is the only one I believe would stick to it and seriously, seriously relish every second of it), and the continued drop in airline revenues (coupled with the rise in Amtrak revenues and repeated "GTFOs" to TSA from Amtrak PD) that do add up.

    The most important thing is to never give up and never let up. TSA must never know a moment's peace, never know the slightest reprieve from a constant onslaught of critical media attention (Lisa, Amy Alkon, et al), angry political correspondence (all of us via Congress) and panicked economic pressure (airlines). The hardest part will be if they do stage a false-flag op. Timed poorly, it will only make them out to look like bigger idiots but timed properly it may well set us back if we don't respond intelligently to it. It will be hard to steer the masses to respond "Who cares?!? What about our RIGHTS?" but it can be done.

    So, avenging angel? No. Avenging angels, however? Yes, and we're all rocking wings and halos. (Though my wings are black and leathery instead of white and feathery, and my horns are holding the halo up. :cool:)
     
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  6. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Exactly what I'm afraid of.
     
  7. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    This is how I view it too. It's not going to be one avenging angel, but many. And I do regard the people on this site (with a glaring exception or two) to be part of the avenging angels fold. My wings are black and lacey and tipped with royal purple around the edges, fyi. And yeah, I may also have some help propping up that halo of mine. ;)

    And you know ---- I'm not so sure a false flag will work next time - at least as it relates to air travel. I think they've played that card one too many times now. The TSA will likely trot out their terrorists (and it will be a group as opposed to just one 'lone wolf') and expose their evil plot. The press will go on and on about how great it was that the TSA arrived just in the nick of time to save us all. And people will have one of two reactions 1) boy who cried wolf, or 2) OMG, air travel is never going to be safe, it's just too risky for me to fly! And even more people stop flying.
     
  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    You guys are way more optimistic than I am.
     
  9. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    I didn't say it was going to be easy or that it's happening tomorrow.
     
  10. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    The nice thing about optimism is that in many cases, it can be a self-fulfilling prophecy. "Think positive" is often (rightly) regarded as trite and cliche, but there's something to be said for the motivational power of a can-do mentality. There's only so much a single person can do no matter how motivated they are, but a large group of motivated people working in concert are able to accomplish quite a bit more.

    In essence, if we continue to remind ourselves that we can whittle this TSA monster down to nothing, we'll at least find within ourselves the motivation to keep going. As each of us continues to fight against TSA, we naturally form a larger whole and become a greater force for accomplishing what we set out to do.
     
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  11. lkkinetic

    lkkinetic Original Member

    I'm glad to have my lycra-clad cycling angel wings in the fold! It's a distributed, decentralized, guerrilla civil disobedience that's going to bring down the lumbering monolith ... so lumbering that I think they won't realize that they've cried wolf too many times and have no credibility if they try to do a false flag op.

    Here's another rhetorical arrow for the quiver, from the Twitter feed of Julian Sanchez, @normative (SunnyGoth, do you know him? You should.): Security theater isn't just about making us "feel safer." It's about making us feel we wouldn't be safe without it.

    That's another approach we can take to persuade people -- we aren't actually safer, but they are manipulating the environment, at great economic and moral expense, to make us feel that there's no alternative, that there's no way we'd feel safe in some other environment.

    I am flying Sunday (to Hawaii for vacation, promised to husband last year) for the first time since July (which was only WTMD), and I have a game plan. Part of the game plan is SDOO by selective terminal entry, part is a plan to vocalize the name of each body part as it's being groped if I get the frisk.
     
  12. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    Oh, yes, I know him -- well, I've interacted with him on Twitter, and we have colleagues in common. I haven't yet met him in person.

    And agree, he's very good.
     
  13. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

  14. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I posted a comment early this morning but it's still stuck in moderation.

    But better yet, I tore him to shreds in my new post at TSA News.
     
  15. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    As the TSA tries to infest other areas of transportation such as General Aviation, train stations, bus terminals, highways and waterways, they will do so at their own peril. Especially after many people have sough out alternative means from commercial air travel.
     
  16. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I hope so. But so far, acquiescence to the searches in the New York subway, DC Metro, Boston, various ferries, the Savannah Amtrak station, etc. don't inspire confidence.
     

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