We are all terrorists now -- or sooner or later

Discussion in 'Civil Rights & Privacy' started by Lisa Simeone, Dec 11, 2011.

  1. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I've said it before and I'll say it again -- and again and again:

    That which we impose and perpetrate on others will eventually be imposed and perpetrated on ourselves.

    The real definition of terrorism
    by Glenn Greenwald
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  2. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Meant to include a graphic (credit Jack Balkwill, Liberty Underground News):

  3. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I don't know what to say about this. It's frustrating because both political parties seem OK with this. Who do I vote for? Almost all our legislators think like this and vote in a pattern that sustains these policies.

    All citizens are paying a very high cost in decline of quality of life resulting from pointless wars abroad and equally pointless fascism at home. It's expensive. It has put our nation deeply in debt.

    I wish I thought citizens where smart enough to put a stop to it, but I don't think they are. When citizens are frightened they vote Republican, when they feel safe they vote Democratic. Neither of those parties are interested in peace or Constitutional rights.
  4. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    And maybe that's the problem. Maybe Americans are easily "sold" on war and fascism, in the same way we're sold on different hem lines, slightly modified automobiles and different shades of poop-colored designer paint to smear on our walls each year. Maybe nobody thinks any more.
  5. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    "Why of course the people don't want war. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, a parliament, or a communist dictatorship, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of
    patriotism and exposing the country to greater danger.
    It works the same in any country."

    -- Hermann Goering, at Nuremberg trials (1945)
  6. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    I've always been particularly sensitive to the imagery of the disappeared in Chile and Argentina, probably because they were college youth (that I related to and looked just like me).

    OK, (don't blame me) I didn't write the thing, but this is one of at least 3 petitions online re NDAA, and this is one that directly addresses the aspect of protest-as-terrorism:
    Some if not all are linked 1here (for veto, with most signatures), and 2here, and 3here for what they are worth.
    The White House process is to convene and refer to the affected agency for response, which is why there has been no response to date from the TSA petition (at about 32,000). Of course the petition process could be a registry for collection of dissenters' names, but I would prefer to believe that is not that case (although the last one gives me pause on that account).
  7. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Only one candidate is. Deal with it. People need to get over themselves and their nuanced objections, change their registration, and vote for the old fellow. Our country is on the line.
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  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Beyond Guantánamo, a Web of Prisons for Terrorism Inmates
    "Big numbers, lengthy sentences, special units, quiet release, rare recidivism," and nobody from the Bureau of Prisons or DHS will talk to the New York Times about it.

    The article is fascinating -- and anyone who isn't reminded of the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII, and possible implications for the future, isn't paying attention. It mentions only obliquely the notorious Supermax in Florence, Colorado, where solitary confinement is the order of the day; also doesn't mention the punitive SAMS, Special Administrative Measures.
    If waterproof ponchos and socks can get you locked up for 15 years in harsh conditions, wonder how long it'll be before writing about the abusive National Security State on blogs and calling for resistance to it can get one designated a "domestic extremist"?
  9. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    that is a terribly sad story. even if he is guilty, this would be an extremely cruel punishment. But he has not even been found guilty, and this is how they would treat a presumed innocent person? Beyond words cruel and vicious, given the circumstances. If this is what this country, or more accurately, this government has become, the road ahead is going to be very dark.

    edit: I'm referring to the SAMS link above, not the times story....
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