What is the Fix for TSA?

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Fisher1949, Mar 4, 2012.

  1. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    What are your top complaints about TSA? While there are a substantial number of folks opposed to TSA the underlying reasons are less obvious. Is it just the overall intrusion or specific aspects of screening?

    Below is a sample complaint list in no particular order and there may be others that aren't listed here. Pick your favorite or add another.

    Screeners not subject to the same search limits as Law Enforcement.
    Screeners not subject to prosecution.
    Difficult to maintain custody of our possessions throughout screening process.
    Unequal treatment for people entering air side, too many exceptions and special privileges.
    Not using WTMD as primary device and MMW as secondary as originally promised.
    Not all scanners have privacy software.
    Abusing opt-outs.
    Still using ionizing radiation (x-ray) scanners.
    Not allowing multiple passes to confirm alarms before a search.
    Random and gate pat downs.

  2. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    What's the fix for the TSA?

    There is no fix. They have to be disbanded, pure and simple. We need security for airports and airlines, but this attempt is a complete failure. We need to take a deep breath, accept that our nation has wasted who knows how much money on airport security, accept that the TSA is a failure, and move on. Part of the acceptance is acknowledging that we will never get risk down to 0%. It won't happen.

    As for the list -- the scanners (both backscatter and MMW) and the gropes are what prompted me to stop flying -- not curtailing flying, but stopping altogether.

    When I was flying, before the scans and gropes, my top complaints were:

    Difficult to maintain custody of our possessions throughout screening process.
    Random and gate pat downs.
  3. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    I agree. This could be turned into a TUG poll though.
  4. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    The fix? Scorched Earth. Seriously. Leave no stone resting on another and sow the fields with salt.

    Anyone working for TSA should spend the next ten years on a chain gang. Except for Pissy and Blogdad Bob. Just weld iron collars around their necks, geld them, and sell them to a Saudi oil Sheik as harem guards.
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  5. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    That's was what I was hoping. Being a data monger is a terrible addiction.
  6. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    +1 ^

    The thread title & subject are flawed -- you ask what the fix is, then proceed to ask us to identify the specific issues we have with TSA. In between are the more abstract causes for TSA's problems, and those are the ones that need to be addressed (if they can be addressed) if TSA were to survive and be successful.
    • #1 is its mission: They're fighting a ghost that isn't out there. The lessons of 9/11 are addressed by secured cockpits, armed pilots and an awareness by passengers that a hijacking no longer means a free weekend in Havana.
    • #2 is its management: Secretive, arbitrary and accountable only to themselves. They must go. That are not fit to rule.
    • #3 is its line personnel: The original 9/11 screeners morphed into federal employees and augmented by 35,000 of society's otherwise enemployable. Large numbers of them are unfit to serve, and they also must go.
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  7. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Most would lose their heads for trying to peek at the women.
  8. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    True. The abstract causes can be put to another poll. Nice to have several choices yet still be able to have "other" to fill-in.
  9. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    I agree with the notion of dismantling TSA and prosecuting those responsible but was wondering if this is an issue based opposition, i.e. specific activities, or a more broad based opposition (my personal preference) to the growth of an authoritarian agency protected with immunity and shrouded in secrecy.
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  10. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    The latter, exacerbated by the TSA's inability to hire anyone with a backbone.
  11. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Stop the scans.

    Stop the gropes.

    Stop the thefts.

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