What's Good for the Goose... [Arrest of Yakuri Miyamae for groping TSA screener]

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by barbell, Jul 15, 2011.

  1. jtodd

    jtodd Original Member

    Thanks barbell, so many links and facebook pages, it's getting difficult to track, that's a good thing though. One by one, thousands a day, the TSA assaults and continues it's march down this path. Once they have turned a citizen against them, they have no ability to get them back to their side.
  2. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

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  3. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    They want either an email or phone. I just put in 6025551212, using the area code for greater Phoenix.

    They're CNN, if they want to, they can find her.

    Though Lisa makes a good suggestion... :oops:
  4. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Tell me about it!

    Seriously though, I've been hanging out in an airport today. I've seen A LOT more opt outs than I've seen previously.
  5. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

  6. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Woman Accused Of Groping TSA Agent Is Radio DJ
    Yukari Miyamae Volunteers at KGNU, Getting Support On Facebook
    . . . The judge allowed her to use airports to travel back to Arizona as part of her work as a translator.

    "I am commuting from Colorado to Phoenix every week for the job I am currently working," she had said.

    She had told the New York Post that she runs into a problem with the TSA on a weekly basis.
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  7. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Lisa, that's awesome!

    I just want to point out one thing. TSA likes to use, to put it politely, interesting turns of phrase. According to the article Lisa posted:

    Let me break this down for everybody. The TSA has determined that whole body imaging, in spite of the fact that it is both ineffective and likely dangerous, is primary screening. Therefore, exercising your right to "opt out" is termed a "refusal". It is usually met (at least in my experience), "We have a refusal", "Since you are refusing standard screening...", etc.

    Generally, the employees of TSA are delicate flowers who don't like being stood up to. When Miyamae apparently told Barbara O'Toole that she didn't want to go through the scanner, she "refused screening." It's a pathetic play on words that TSA uses to obfuscate the issue.

    And I'll take someone who knows her word over TSA any day:

    It really is too bad the BDO's couldn't catch her before she "terrorized" Barbara O'Toole.
  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    barbell, and as we know, it's only a matter of time before the scanners are mandatory. This has been the plan from the beginning, as anyone who was paying attention knew. It still won't obviate the gropes, of course, but soon, no one will be able to "opt out."

    The whole point has always been, in my opinion, to coerce acquiescence. People have used the term "slave training." In a nutshell, yes, that's what it is.
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  9. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    I certainly see that as a possibility.

    However, Fisher1949, makes a compelling argument regarding the recent ruling on this issue. It seems the Court found scope Constitutional so long as T&A allows grope. It'll be interesting to see what happens next.

    Of course, I continue to hold, since I actually have about 10x more training in this area than the loonies at TSA, that these machines aren't going to stop squat. They have mortgaged the entire security farm on these procedures. If something happens, and that's a big if because I'm pretty sure "they've" lost interest, then what? These machines were supposed to see all. I'm telling you right now, they don't.

    And just think about this, the ability to see a "threat" in these images rests solely with the ability of the peeper in the pervert booth. Leaving aside for the moment the obvious low average intelligence of the Airport Security Screener crowd, the incredible turnover rate dooms this procedure before it's even left the gate.
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  10. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Exactly. And the boredom that naturally sets in -- for anyone, no matter how scrupulous, no matter how attentive -- when you're looking at the same thing over and over and over again. Rafi Sela, Bruce Schneier, Richard Roth, Clark Ervin, on and on, all these security experts have said the scanners are "worthless." And that's their word, not mine.

    Look what happened to the puffer machines. They were bought, to the tune of millions of dollars, and then it was discovered that while they work great in a sterile lab setting, they suck in the real world of dust and dirt. They're sitting in a warehouse. Our tax dollars, once again, at work. To line the pockets of the manufacturers.

    P.S. And as the ACLU said last year when they first objected to these things -- not that the organization is doing squat anymore -- study after study after study has shown that what inevitably happens is who gets pulled aside and gawked at the most? People who "stand out" -- celebrities, attractive people, big-breasted women, all the stuff you can imagine. Of course, the TSA is spreading the abuse around . . . .
  11. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    It's just a matter of time until these machines start to malfunction, too.

    They are, after all, machines. And as Elizabeth Conley often points out, we are fast running out of the financial resources to procure more, maintenance them, even staff them. A thought just occurred to me. Used to be that a WTMD had 2 bag x-ray lines feeding it. That was 1 TSA screener for 2 lines. The current typical setup is now 1 line feeding a WTMD (1 screener), plus 1 line feeding a WBI (1 "feeder", 2 "exit holders" - 1 male 1 female, and 1 peeper). This program has ballooned the checkpoint staffing from 3 per lane (guard plus 2 bag x-ray operators) to 7 per lane. Assuming an average salary of $30,000 and peak operation, a mid-sized airport has now added, added, 16 new employees above and beyond what was used a year ago. That's $480,000 added per airport. That's insane!

    So anyway, back on topic, the machines are ineffective to begin with. Being machines they will break. I'm sure TSA has something awesome cooked up to replace them. Of course, being TSA they probably don't, and will scramble after the fact.

    AND back OT - Miyamae now has more than 3,000 fans on Facebook. This story is really striking a nerve. TSA has opened a can of worms that ain't going back now.
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  12. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    There's nothing inherently wrong with Explosive Trace Portals (puffers). They're used in places like the CN Tower and nuclear facility checkpoints. The problem was with the TSA not properly managing the procurement and maintenance specifications. Then, instead of fixing the problems, Michael Chertoff and his firm stepped in with the Nude-O-Scopes.
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  13. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    N964VJ, I can see how the puffer machines would work in some settings. But in an airport, with tens or hundreds of thousands of people passing through every day -- from what I've read, they kept getting clogged, that is, when they weren't giving false positives.

    Speaking of false positives, gardeners -- or just people who've stepped in dirt -- have felt the wrath of the TSA because of fertilizer residue. The always-looking-for-an-excuse-to-harass agents berate and threaten these people, insisting that they have traces of explosives on them. One guy was put in jail -- he's in my master list -- god knows how many other people they've done that too that we never hear about.

    Back to Yukari Miyamae, I feel doubly sorry for her because she's forced to go through airports several times a week. As she said, she flies between Boulder and Phoenix for work. How is this poor woman going to continue her job after what's happened?
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  14. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I'd bet this is exactly what went down. The screener overstepped & it's backfired bigtime.
  15. Doober

    Doober Original Member

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  16. AngryMiller

    AngryMiller Original Member

    She is pretty and approaching her retirement years. She snapped back at an agency that regularly abuses passengers. Had anyone bothered to listen to her valid complaints this may never have occured. Since TSA ignored her it became a backbreaking by one straw moment. I used to get grief at MSP, but after weekly complaints, they've decided to leave me alone (touch him wrong, inspect his luggage wrong, repack it wrong, be rude to him and he will complain. He has phone numbers and is unafraid to use them. Most of his complaints are valid as he knows the SOP at least as good as some of our mid-level employees.) They got tired of the both the complaints and rants. For that to work you've got to go through the same checkpoint on a consistant basis. Get cards of senior TSA management. Use them-name drop.
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  17. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

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  19. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Okay, KK, just commented there. It's "waiting for approval."
  20. RB

    RB Founding Member

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    I posted there as Ron B. I see the comment and one like but do not see any other comments.

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