Why Did I Have To Go To Pravda To Get My Op-Ed About TSA Rape Published?

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Lisa Simeone, Dec 21, 2011.

  1. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    It needs to be incorporated into clothing. :)
  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    This would be more like a sex toy that you wear all day whenever you're at risk of an airport sexual assault. The device would communicate by wireless with a monitoring system to alert authorities to penetration events.
  3. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    I often put too fine a point on things, but I think these really should be looked at one by one. The TSOs that commented here, and Pistole, said there were actions that were not standard and should be punished.

    Touching, brushing, (as NOT OK as that is all by itself), is not the same as penetration. I mean, rape has a definition.

    And then there is the matter of consent.
    Consent to search (dubious as it is given freely if required for commercial air travel), is not consent to sexual acts.
    There are torts on top of torts here; (I am not even going to get into arguing with Mike about that).

    I do think we should take care to not roll this into one continuum of SOP in our own thinking about it. There are wrongful acts (within their abhorrent normal) which have already been acknowledged by TSA as out-of-bounds.
  4. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Yes, Pistole claims there are acts that are out of bounds, but then the clerks all just claim they didn't do what they did. It becomes he said/she said. "No, we didn't strip anybody; we don't strip people." "No, I didn't penetrate her; she's lying." "No, I didn't ram my hand up into his crotch, I merely brushed against it; he's imagining." On and on.
  5. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    This disconnect has been clearly manfest for 2-3 years now. I am convinced that there is a clear difference between stated policy (they don't do strip searches, etc.) and the actual behavior that is observed, and that is why the SOP (that dictates this behavior, including the strips searches and the harassment & obstruction of photographers) is "SSI".
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  6. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach


    Also agree.

    Well, not to mention that it can move from the civil to the criminal.

    We should also do our best to control the language that is used. That's one of the reasons why I think using the new definition of rape is important. We should be labeling some of these searches rapes - not molestation, not sexual assault, but rape. If there is penetration, even through clothes, it's rape.
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