Why Every American is Vulnerable to Abuse

Discussion in 'What's On Your Mind?' started by Elizabeth Conley, Mar 19, 2012.

  1. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    This video is long and dry, but very chilling.
  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Now wait & see if the videographer doesn't get busted under Illinois' unconstitutional wiretap laws.
  3. Wow, that was chilling. Very instructive, too.
  4. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Yes, it is chilling. I almost didn't watch it because of that ridiculous echo-y voiceover at the beginning.

    Also, this is a rebuttal to everyone who thinks dogs are The Answer at airports. I'm sure there'd be just as much abuse going on with dogs "finding" stuff on innocent people as there was here.
  5. By the way, is a K-9 search one that you can refuse to consent to?

    ETA: Found the answer to my own question:

  6. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I think it should be. This is one of those instances where the "judges" are making an obviously unconstitutional ruling. The K-9 search is a search. (Duh!) Of course there must be probable cause.

    I'm getting tired of "judges" who make obviously unconstitutional rulings. They're sworn to uphold the U.S. Constitution, and I expect them to do so. No excuses. If a judge would rather live under fascism, s/he needs to find another job.

    The U.S. Constitution isn't all that complicated. People who don't like it need not take oaths affirming their intent to support the Rule of Law.
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  7. I agree, unconstitutional, and this video just demonstrates how easy it is for a bad cop to manufacture a reason to pull somebody over for a "legitimate" traffic stop, then manufacture a reason to run the dog around the car. And then, of course, to instigate a false alarm on the dog, or even for the dog to alarm on drugs that were once there but are no longer. Clearly a bad ruling.
  8. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    nobody has claimed dogs are THE answer. Dogs sh*t. However, I'd much rather have Fido waltz by me getting a good whiff of parfum du 100
    than have one of Rugape's buddies getting intimate with my crotch and butt.
  9. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Agree completely.
    The Constitution was a fence hemming in the central power, keeping it from becoming all-powerful. That fences has been systematically dismantled since FDR's time, with such ridiculous precedent setting cases like Wickard v Filburn, when a farmer was told he couldn't grow his own wheat for his own use. Not much of a fence left anymore. just serves as a scarecrow now, as a few things can still get the natives riled up.

    We've lost the battle; the Supreme Court is pretty useless, even if it is shamed every now and again into doing the right thing. Basically, the only thing that could possibly shake the federal behemoth is the financial kneecapping that is happening as we speak. It will take a pretty good crumbling of things, unfortunately, to wake people up. And they're just as likely to be a mob for some tin pot dictator.
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  10. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Of course. But given how easily these dogs are induced to do whatever their unscrupulous handlers might want them to do, I can see how you'd be getting groped anyway. "The dog found something. It's not me. It's the dog! Now come on over into this private room."

    And as we've discussed before, the reason dogs aren't feasible for airports -- according to the people who train the dogs -- is because their work ethic, if you will, isn't the same as ours. They don't operate on a fixed hours-per-day system. They need to go out and play every half-hour. Otherwise, they won't perform well.
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  11. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I've got a dog. I adore her. (There's a reason why "puppy posts" make effective propaganda for the T&A.)

    That being recognized, the dog is a reflection of his training and his handler. Given the low moral character and stupidity of the T&A goons, I don't think the TSA could come up with an effective program that included weapons-sniffing dogs.

    They'd be just like the "officer" and dog team portrayed in the video. The TSA would discredit canine searches entirely before a month was out, because countless citizens would witness first hand the type of mishandled searches portrayed in the video.
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  12. RB

    RB Founding Member

    If an officer states the dog alerted who can argue the point, especially while standing on the side of the road.

    The cop is armed and can arrest you for little or no cause resulting in a detention even if only for a short period of time. Your vehicle gets towed, you're taken down town and later released without charges. You have still been penalized.

    I know it is not the case but I think using a dog for a search of any kind should require the same Probable Cause as any other search.

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