United States Will the US install a 6,400-kilometre long border fence?

Discussion in 'Border Controls, Customs and Immigration' started by Leave no trace, Sep 29, 2011.

  1. Leave no trace

    Leave no trace Original Member

    It seems like infrastructure spending is looking for a place to be spent.
    The simple fact of animal migration seems to have escaped these "clever" folk.


    FWIW the 9/11 terrorists did not enter the USA from Canada.
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  2. FriendlySkies

    FriendlySkies Member

    How about we spend money on building a fence between Mexico & the US? I don't mind our friendly neighbors to the North coming here..
  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Why do we give a rat's behind who's coming in from Canada? Schengen works well in Europe, we should quit being so parochial here.
  4. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I think we need to lighten up a bit with regard to the southern border as well, though not yet to the point of open borders. I think border fences are just plain stupid -- ask the Austrialians (the guys already ├╝ber-experienced with rabbit fences :rolleyes:) who tried to build one in Vietnam.
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  5. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Sorry, as long as people are flooding this country from the south we need to step up border control not lighten up a bit.
  6. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    It's a popular misconception that illegals are "flooding" the country. They aren't. Illegals are < 4% of the total population.

    Trying to crack down too harshly on illegal immigration can actually have the opposite effect -- those who would otherwise go back & forth across the border just stay. It's a good sound bite but doesn't fix the "problem".
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  7. VH-RMD

    VH-RMD Original Member

    you need to live on an island, then you can just demonise the boats (even if they comprise less of a problem than illegal immigrants by air).

    But as you don't live on an island, of course you need a fence along the 49th. Canadians make (expletive deleted) servants...
  8. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Not suggesting that we crack down to harshly on illegal immigration but we do have a need and responsibility to control our borders. I would disagree that it is a misconception that the southern border is not "flooding" because that is exactly what has been happening for many years.

    Illegal immigration is out of control in the US and lack of action to deport those who are illegally in this country only makes the problem worse.
  9. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    So about 1 in 25 people here are illegal immigrants? I didn't know the numbers were that high.

    You gotta wonder if a fence between us and Canada is actually intended to keep people out of the U.S. The fence is a really wierd idea. It doesn't make sense, and so it begs the question: why? For most of our history people have wanted in. Are people going to start wanting out soon?

    When the probable is eliminated, the improbable remains.
  10. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    The fence in Canada is not intended to keep Canadians in, its to keep us OUT, of canada... Part of the great big prison our government is constructing for us. Take a look at the currency enforcements, the shutting down of offshore investing and bank accounts, etc. They want everyone and their $ to stay in country....
  11. Leave no trace

    Leave no trace Original Member

    There are a lot of Americans looking to make Canada their new home, big immigration queues in fact.
    As an immigrant to Canada myself (from Europe), I can confirm that getting in to Canada is not a simple or fast process.

    Most countries are useless at policing their borders, but a fence, what are they thinking??
    The border is already patrolled by predator drones.
    Surely the "perimeter border" concept is undermined by an internal fence.

    Maybe you are right "They want everyone and their $ to stay in country".
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  12. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    DHS has already tried a fence in AZ and we know how well that is working.
  13. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    You completely missed the point of my post, which was actually the conclusion of a recent policy analysis (Pew foundation or some such) in this area: The more you work to deport them, the more we have because they don't leave once they're here. Many illegals used to come to work for a few weeks or months at at time & then return home. Now they stay because it's too difficult to keep crossing the border. Trying to deport as many as you can is proving to be quite counterproductive.

    They need to focus on getting rid of the criminals -- and the terrorists if they can manage not to bail them out of jail.
  14. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Another aspect of illegal immigration is demographics -- this is a group that has the potential to contribute to the social security system, which was only works when you have (1) an increasing population that (2) dies shortly after retirement age. As our birth rate declines, immigration is the only way to address (1).
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  15. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    You will recall that several years ago, DHS was demanding that the IRS give them the social security numbers of all illegal aliens about whom the IRS had information. The IRS told DHS to take a hike as it didn't want to lose tax revenue.
  16. RB

    RB Founding Member

    If we didn't let them in in the first place there would be no problem.

    I agree that the criminal element of illegals should be first to go but if a person is her illegally then they also should be forced to deport.

    I agree to a worker visa program but that is not happening either.
  17. AngryMiller

    AngryMiller Original Member

    People complaining about the immigration rules as being too harsh should take a long hard look at Mexican immigration laws. Draconian doesn't even come close to describing them.

    As to a border fence with Canada? Please don't waste a penny on it. I remember as a young student reading how the US and Canada had thousands of miles of unprotected borders becasue we were friends. What has changed since then?
  18. Leave no trace

    Leave no trace Original Member

    I guess we are not friends anymore?
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  19. AngryMiller

    AngryMiller Original Member

    Sad, because we share so much in common.

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