Discussion in 'What's On Your Mind?' started by Lisa Simeone, Apr 6, 2012.
Holy (expletive deleted).
A modern-day Kitty Genovese incident, for those of you who remember/know about that infamous case.
Could events possibly make me any more misanthropic??
Don't tempt fate.
This is just...sick. If people aren't going to stand up for one another against thugs like this, how can we expect them to stand up for one another against thugs in blue uniforms at the airport, or thugs with riot gear and chemical weapons at Constitutionally-protected protests?
This also would've been a great time to use a concealed camera like a pen/watch/glasses cam to record what these hooligans were doing and report them. Not that I trust the police to do the right thing anymore - any trust I ever had in them went out the door at UCDavis last fall - but at least it would've been something.
I'm thinking that a push to create a sousveillance society may be beneficial. Despite the horror, one of the most lasting memories I have of the video of Pike the Pig at UCDavis was that of dozens if not hundreds of protestors recording his every move to ensure that he could not hide his misdeeds. This panned out in Chief Spicuzza being caught in a lie when her claim that "the pigs officers were surrounded and felt threatened" was soundly trashed by ample video footage showing that the thugs in question had plenty of breathing room and were not surrounded or threatened in any way.
If we (not just TUG but any and every civic-minded person) can push the imagery, concept, notion of a wrongdoer being recorded by too many people for them to stop into cultural-meme territory it might be a useful tool to prevent things like this in the future. Once people start equating being recorded all around by angry and vigilant citizens with the idea that "You done (expletive deleted) real bad this time," it might give would-be offenders pause to reconsider as well as emboldening camera-equipped bystanders to use the resources at their disposal to protect one another.
It still doesn't stop the crime in the first place. I just don't see cameras as deterrents. They might help to find a perp but not before he's done harm.
Heck sometimes the bad buys even film themselves and upload it to the internet to brag about it. One bozo recently uploaded his whack-the-poor-sucker video, and some authorities decided to try to identify the perpetrator & the victim. It turned out that the victim had reported the attack but had been so disoriented by the assault that he could not provide much help in identifying the perpetrator. Thanks the the perps' video, an arrest was made.
I'm all for making video of everything that occurs on mass transit.
Baltimore Sun: Internet shock video helps Baltimore police find victim, possible suspect: Police say ability to mine Web for clues is limited, but they welcome the help
Crooks tend to repeat crimes that they get away with. Anything that gets them caught & prosecuted will -- as long as long as they're not whacked in the fanny with the revolving door of justice -- reduce future crimes.
Was posted here: http://www.travelunderground.org/in...ore-police-find-victim-possible-suspect.2703/
This is DC. Get involved in something like that and the Transit cops will beat the (expletive deleted) out of you, then place you under arrest.
Union rules. (Only half kidding)
What is wrong with people?
I simply don't understand the mentality of the See Something, Snitch mentality and ignoring stuff like this? People can't seriously be this stupid, can they?
One problem is the same ones named in the original link here in this thread. Get involved and based on recent history and events and the litigious nature of our country, the good samaritan is the one that loses out in the end. I think the larger commentary on things like this IS the fact that our legal system and approach to our fellow citizens (in many cases, not all) has degenerated into a what can I get out of this from the easiest target.
Another thing that I have begun to notice is we don't have "fisticuffs" as kids anymore, or at least not nearly to the extent we used to. This is a double edged sword in many ways - fewer fisticuffs = fewer kids hurt, fewer kids having to suffer through violent encounters, fewer bad situations. Fewer fisticuffs also = more kids and people in general not being involved in violence and learning to deal with it, fewer people willing to interact in a violent situation for the right reasons, fewer people being able to understand what they can realistically do with their own hands in a violent encounter. Personally, I had a brawl my sophomore year of high school with a guy that later went on to become one of my best friends. My cousin on the other hand, had a guy that beat him senseless 4-5 times until he was suspended from school and wound up going to Juvvie. This is one of those conundrums that modern society has produced, it is a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. It is hard to make a case for violence in any situation, but having to defend oneself as a kid can pay some dividends for the future.
I probably would have had to do something in this case, I just don't think I could have lived with myself if I let it play out to the end without trying to help.
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