Women in Prison - An American Growth Industry

Discussion in 'Civil Rights & Privacy' started by Lisa Simeone, Nov 30, 2011.

  1. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Women in Prison - An American Growth Industry
    by Cynthia Johnston


     
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  2. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/opinion/article.aspx?subjectid=214&articleid=20111009_222_G1_CUTLIN39513

    I have to wonder if this person did not know that selling marijuana was an illegal activity?

    If the law is wrong then change the law otherwise if one is willing to do the crime they have to be willing to pay the time!
     
  3. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    there is this old fashioned notion of a penalty being commensurate with the crime..
    they'll end up like california. prisons too full, too expensive, forced to release tens of thousands by the supreme kangaroo court.
     
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  4. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    "Paying the time" to the tune of 12 years is a bit outrageous.

    Wonder how many fine upstanding cocaine-using white collar criminals on Wall Street are paying that kind of time?
     
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  5. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    As much as I don't like him, Gov. Christie said yesterday that NJ's "war on drugs" has been a failure and that we can't expect that individuals who are thrown into prison and forgot about will come out drug free. I don't like the guy but I do agree with this.
     
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  6. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Who sets sentencing guidelines in a given state?

    Selling dope with her kids present and then going to her sentencing with dope on her person. This lady didn't help herself very much in my opinion.

    Here is a listing of various penalties for my neighbor to the north.

    http://www.legaljoint.net/state_by_state/Oklahoma.asp?p=Oklahoma&state=42&mmj=2
     
  7. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    It's not just women & drugs. This guy had a search warrant served on his house at 7 a.m.:


    The search netted a grand total of 6.9 grams of marijuana, i.e. a mere 0.24 ounce. The articles do not suggest he was suspected of selling. It appears they got exactly what they expected to find.

    When I was in college people used to buy the stuff by the ounce or larger. It's rather disconcerting that they're going to raid homes for that paltry amount. It's only a matter of time before some grumpy, half-awake homeowner or family member gets shot in their quest to catch people with a few grams of dope.
     
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  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    People do a lot of stupid stuff in life. Or just stuff to help them get by because they've been laid off and are unemployed and don't want to starve, as was the case with this woman. Regardless, I don't think 12 years in prison for this kind of "crime" serves justice.

    I had a dear friend who became addicted to crack in his 50s. His 50s. Well-educated, well-traveled, charming, highly literate, an oenophile, solidly middle class, and white. He was addicted for almost 7 years. The cops knew it, even knew where he lived because he had been a probation officer. He never spent a nano-second in jail. Why? You know why.

    At this point it's moot. He died of a sudden heart attack last year.
     
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  9. RB

    RB Founding Member

    As I suggested in the first response, if the law is wrong change the law. Violating the current law only has negative potential.

    Marijuana trafficking results in lots of issues beyond people ending up in jail. Around the borders of the southern states and Mexico the number of people killed grows daily.

    This is not a victimless crime.
     
  10. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    So what's your point? This is a discussion forum. If people can't recognize an issue and discuss it, nothing will be changed. We'll stuck with with undesirable effects forever.

    It's not just a question of good laws & bad -- there are also issues of prosecutorial & judicial discretion and the refusal to show some common sense & excercise that discretion.
     
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  11. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I am all for discussing and trying to reach ground that we can all feel is a reasonable position. My personal thoughts is that this lady was caught dealing drugs with children in tow. That in my book is about as bad as it gets. Her sentence based on the guidelines I posted the link to was about midway in the range of what was possible. I think her sentence was reasonable given the Oklahoma sentencing guidelines. Others may disagree and that is perfectly ok.

    Now the bigger question revolves around what kind of action should be taken for this kind of crime. I am open to that discussion but not to setting aside current law while the discussion is taking place. People dealing in drugs and those people using know there will be consequences if they are caught.
     
  12. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Who really gives a rat's (expletive deleted) about a small amount of marijuana anywhere, kids or no kids. I sure don't. Reefer Madness is so passé. The punishment was just way out of line in proportion to the crime.
     
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  13. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    I have had it up to HERE↑↑↑↑ with the War on Drugs.® While there certainly is a legitimate role for proper aircraft security, we've all seen TSA crow about this or that minor drug offender they've caught, and that's just a small part of the huge problems and expense associated with this BS. I say legalize ALL of it, marijuana, heroin, meth, sell it to over 21 y/o like booze, move all the money over into education to keep people off if it (worked for smoking, BTW) and medical treatment for people who become addicted, like, oh, Rush Limbaugh.

    Again, I sound like a broken record, but this TSA fiasco could never have happened in isolation; it is part of a larger security state, of which this failed "war" on drugs is a huge part.
     
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  14. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Caught this on the news this evening:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...x/2011/11/30/gIQAEt4gCO_story.html?tid=pm_pop

     
  15. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    "Ooops"

    Perhaps if he'd outfitted the jail with cushier bunks .... :D
     
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  16. nachtnebel

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  17. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    What do you have against work-at-home moms?
     
  18. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    I imagine he likes being handcuffed...
     
  19. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Hey, that's just mean!;)
     
  20. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Here's a cop who was stealing it out of their evidence room ...

    ThumperWatch: Carver County, MN: Sheriffs deputy stealing meth from evidence storeroom

    At least he got nailed. :D
     

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